As we are wrapping up, if people are interested in understanding their capacities as a baseline to both see what is most relevant for them to develop, and then to see if the developmental things they're doing are working, other than IQ, what might you recommend to people as ways they can assess their intelligence, their multiple lines of intelligence their ecological complexity of thought, is lectica a useful tool? Find new things to think about the self. And that can help. But then you can be focused on very different topics, and you might say that some topics, obviously whether the information is accurate or not and if it's factual information kind of matters. Daniel S.: The multiple lines of intelligence model. Without sensorial grounding. Each of those branches go all the way out to the axioms. I did pretty good at writing a dissertation. schmachten - definition schmachten bersetzung schmachten Wrterbuch. And it's about that zone of proximal development, or the quote Goldilocks, which is that zone that's not too hard, but not too easy. But are there certain topics that you think have more relevance or ways of studying them, or ways of thinking about them? And so, it's very much I'm moving away from the static, of arithmetical, like in a sense of arithmetic way of thinking about the mind, into a dynamical way of thinking about the wind. Zach is a very good friend, and really brilliant and innovative thinker. And so, he was willing to live with the wound, to do the art. Are there any kind of [crosstalk 00:41:01]. It's not complicated, it's radically complex. New Economic Series: Part 3. Our dedicated Editorial team verifies each of the articles published on the Biographyhost. If we are thinking about adults, who already did their SATs, their IQ tests, they have some sense of kind of fixed capacity there, but they like to see if it's not fixed. But, if you confuse those and think, learning is what takes place in school, then you'll never learn for the rest of your life. We're just starting to understand complex systems. And, the branches inter-tangle at the higher levels. And how should we think about intelligence? if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[336,280],'biographyhost_com-box-4','ezslot_5',146,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-biographyhost_com-box-4-0'); However, there is no information about Schmachtenberger's date of birth. Dive in. Right, yeah. Yeah, no. He believes that advancing collective intelligence and capacity is fundamental to the integrity of any civilization. And so, if you know about your own learning, you can put yourself in that situation the whole time, where you are not in over your head and challenge to the point of giving up, but not it's so easy that you're bored. I don't think that means you need to intervene necessarily, in some drastic chemical way. After graduating from West Point, he served with distinction in the Army and was a triumphant general in the Civil War. So, that's important. Except of course, the old shitty narrative was, that's genetically fixed, and then just kind of goes down with age as your brain declines. I think there are probably no scores that people have identified with as being important metrics of their capacity than IQ maybe. But he couldn't tie his shoes, or really do anything else functionally. And again, the machine is that arithmetic mentality of a machine, where is the dynamical mentality is one where those kind of coactive system between both. And that way of thinking about the mind is way more attractive to me then thinking about, well you are smart kid, now you're a smart adult. This episode of the podcast features Dr. Zachary Stein, a philosopher of education working at the intersection of developmental psychology, psychometrics, and integral philosophy. Very complex skill development. Which is to say, you get that, and then you move beyond it, and you include getting the extrinsic skill, you include that within this broader project that's intrinsic. And so, I love the quantified-self and so far as it's reflective, and it creates that virtuous cycle. Literally, because of the political economy with testing industry. Nur etwa 25% aller Kinder, die mit ihren Eltern eine Fachberatungsstelle aufsuchen, . So, do a lot of it learning and skill development, but state experience, which is to say meditative states, and other forms of flow, which is another state that's very popular these days to speak about. How well does IQ map to actual proclivity there? That was fun man. California Privacy Notice And that's just I think, part of the picture. I mean, that's a great question. And so when you get these sweeping studies about IQ differences across let's say race or nationality, or these things, it's like you can't really make inferences about anything innate or genetic here, because we are looking at, malnourished. So imagine the tree comes up three branches go out. The mind's like an organism that literally metabolizes its environment, and depending on what at metabolizes, it grows in certain ways, or doesn't grow. But if you can find a way to measure that creativity. They know how they learn, when they learn best. So, I'm curious as you forecast into the future, and you think about some of the developmental possibilities, there's obviously pretty wild future tech scenarios that are actually getting not that far out, right? So, that's deep. There is some kind of development of the capacity for focus, probably intensity focus, and duration of focus, right? Find new things to think about the self. And I imagine people might have a lot of followup questions regarding assessment and development, and et cetera. 03:02 - Maximum Power Principle. So, Now our best chess players can move in by AI. He has an eclectic educational background, mostly from . Not just for rooting out who is not qualified, but also who is qualified for higher level capacities. And so that's where we need to tell the story about cognitive development, and about the nature of the mind, and how it grows, and what the nature of learning is, and what the nature of what we call intelligence actually is. So not everyone can sit with a book for 45 minutes, but they can do 15 minutes, get up, stare into space, walk around 15 minutes, go up, stare into space, walk around. The throughline of his interests has to do with ways of improving the health and development of individuals and society, with a virtuous relationship between the two as a goal. There's a technology, a website called Zing up. Again, the IQ test that we think of, is over there. Right, yeah. What are some other ones for assessment? Daniel Schmachtenberger 3w Report this post The Consilience Project is looking to fill a bespoke research role. Zach, this was a blast. And, the branches inter-tangle at the higher levels. Either so that we can crush the competition, or make more money, or raise in some corporate ladder, like be better at some tasks that we can be externally valuable. Not going to get that in an IQ test. Then you see other people where they have novel value development across many fields that are obviously inter-informing each other, because of lateral thinking, and because of abstraction that is then finding generalized principles across domains. So, let's talk about even within the realm of reasoning about objective reality. And then, you kind of get this helix model where are you're bringing in everything that you're growing, instead of growing things out in separate places. We wanted to start a podcast where we could have these video dialogues, because we have such interesting and brilliant people in our network, who have various expertise in areas of neural science, cognitive enhancement, psychological development, et cetera. Bismarck is a firm that analyzes institutions, from governments to companies, focusing on the causes of societal decay and flourishing. Zachary Stein: Yeah, so it's interesting that you start with the notion of score. At least one of the organs of computation, that that could increase its efficiency of process and dependent of information, content information, right? So, this is wonderful. It's undeniable that if you take a broad swath of the population, and give them IQ tests, it's going to accurately represent something. But it's also changing over the course of the lifespan drastically, and I already sketched that hierarchy from the sensorimotor to the representational, to the abstract, to the principal, to the axiomatic. And so, so yeah. And again, that's both the kind of brilliance of the IQ, and the tragedy, was that it's simplified this incredibly complex thing to a single number, which was useful, was also dangerous, but yeah, the mind is not like that. But specifically, you define problem solving, and problem finding as fundamentally different kinds of problems. Thank you so much nora bateson and Daniel Schmachtenberger for your beautiful conversation on learning how to be in the world. We are focused on making groundbreaking products for health and well-being through complex systems science. What we're actually talking about when we talk about intelligence, what's actually meaningful here? So, getting out of pain is a way to actually take a load off the nervous system, increasing its capacity and bandwidth to do other stuff. Even though it started out without a really clear philosophical Foundation. And so, you're not learning. Zachary Stein: Beautiful. Which is to say again, Einstein notoriously was, he wouldn't cash his paycheck. Or there's a question of like, have I allocated all of my neural process in some zero sum, or even if it's positive sum, fixed positive sum kind of way, where I am now a very useful tool. Exactly. One, is that the world we're moving into as in a world where monocultures are going to survive, on multiple levels. Speak to that. And then you get the metrics that work, and then those are scary for a different reason. And so, it's interesting. Thank you, this was a really fun first podcast for us to do, and a fun topic. Zachary Stein: Yeah, no. So, that's deep. Because the Neo-Piagetians got to the point where they said, okay. And that's why demi realities can be weird. I'm not going to get into that, because I think it's a distraction. So, let's go mechanistic for a minute. Which requires a lot of intelligence. London, United Kingdom. In this fourth installment of conversations with Daniel Schmachtenberger, we dive deeper into the nuances of humans using energy, materials and technology. Dr. Stein discusses the limitations of the IQ test, the nature of cognitive development, and how to think about human intelligence in a more complex way. So yeah, so that's a good insight. So, when we think about hyper specialization within a very specific line, and maybe even a specific subset of the line, versus some cross-training that leads to different kind of journalistic capacities. Independent of what you're sitting, studying, just focusing for a period of time, focused in the muscle of focus, whether it's changing neural structures and the [inaudible 00:45:19] of it, or whatever it is. Outside of that, let's assume that we don't get that ever, or anytime soon, and we're looking at increasing endogenous processing capacities of the system. So yeah, so that's a good insight. So, say MRIs that are looking at neural density, GEG's, and different forms of psychometric or intelligence scores that you think are either already valuable, or promising of a new kind of mind brain interface science? And that's what I'm saying. He is my beloved advisor. And it's got the simple kind of horsepower in the cognitive domain to do the equations, but is he going to be the innovative guy who comes up with totally new equations? If you enjoy it, consider rating it 5 stars. Top Daniel Berger News 2022 World Wide Technology Championship expert picks CBS Sports CBS Sports Staff Oct 31, 2022 Let's just dive right in. He earns his wealth from his career, therefore, he has amassed a fortune over the years. And trying to maybe perhaps make new shapes put the save more to this unique neuro profile, then to what the machine needs. Any relevant fields, it's two fields. I think that's where it is, and that's the, it's interesting because it's an ancient technology of self development, and it's showing profound neurological, as you'd expect, but it's just shocking to see really how stark some of these findings are. Multiple lines of intelligence. This says we need to look into that, just like the SAT and the GRE. It's the kind of [inaudible 00:48:47] Dawson's refrain, of how loading works. Dive in. And then also, what does it not measuring? But it's not as theorized as a needs to be. Skill development, the way Fisher thought about it, had a very intuitive way of thinking about the growth, and not just static unchangeable capacity, but growth in emergence of new capacity. Focus, a lot of an IQ test get sat is your ability to sit still and focus. So, I'm curious for you to just start with the education of us. The honest answer is, I don't know how to assess it. Zachary Stein: Totally. I'm not sure. So yes, I'm not sure we know enough about genetics it to really speculate. What kind of person am I already? Which is to say again, Einstein notoriously was, he wouldn't cash his paycheck. Cover letters should be no more than 500 words. So Zach, thank you for being here today with us. One of the reasons that we are driven to distraction, because of the culture in advertising that we have. So yes, I'm not sure we know enough about genetics it to really speculate. On the planet. I'm with Research and Development here at the Collective. And that can help. Zachary Stein: That's great. So, freeing your goals from that, transcending but including extrinsic value. Daniel S.: So, what you're saying, it obviously makes sense that no matter how much muscular development we have, the moment we stop developing those muscles, they start to shrink, because they require a continuous input, that that could be the same with cognitive or psycho-emotional, or other tasks. "If a system of collective intelligence is autopoietic (has self-generating momentum) and maladaptive, it is (eventually) an existential threat." "Vectoring towards omni-win-win means making an omni-win-win choice whenever possible, and when not, making the choice closest to omni-win-win, that increases omni-win-win . He graduated with a Bachelors Degree of Science in Mathematics. Mathematics, Sciences, Etc. Yeah, it's not so much what is it. And when it comes to changing intelligence, or growing intelligence, there's so much. Zachary Stein: It's so hard to tell. And that's, I think, good for a few reasons. I think that's the other fallacy of the IQ, and the way intelligence is often conceived, is that it's either you're smart or you're not smart. So, that maps all the way up and abstractions of that kind? If interested, you can follow him there. So this is why you need layers of self-reflection. The mind is a complex dynamic system. That's profound. Which of course, makes perfect sense, and I think the way we usually think of it. This is a fundamental question, because, without good sensemaking, people cannot even begin to act in the world. And are they things that you know of, that you think are meaningful, intelligence developing capacities that are kind of physic logically oriented? But it's clear that there are differences, and there are things that are harder to change, and things that are more malleable. Problem Finding, 1:03:00 Fear of Losing Unique, Specific Capacities by Exploring other Areas, 1:05:47 Complex systems and Complicated systems, 1:12:06 Recommendations for Understanding Capacities as a Baseline, Neo-Piagetian theories of cognitive development. Zachary Stein: I mean, this isn't really my field. And it also showed elevation of IQ amongst other meaningful scores. And so that's where we need to tell the story about cognitive development, and about the nature of the mind, and how it grows, and what the nature of learning is, and what the nature of what we call intelligence actually is. But like, I'm going to make a distinction between things that increase capacity where the capacity was already decreased from baseline because of pathology. Just process information. So, I'd have a conversation. How often does it miss-measure your heartbeat? And it turns out that many scientists, like Einstein for example. Show Notes0:00 Intro3:44 The difference between intelligence and IQ scores10:21 What IQ scores measure14:12 Generalized Intelligence16:26 The I the We and the it21:06 Does IQ Map to Success in Some Areas?23:49 Problem Solving vs. His thoughts became particularly influenced by his collaborators, most notably Jordan Hall, Forrest Landry, and Zachary Stein. Also not valued in the Army and the places where IQ test find the people who do the work right. In adults were that supposedly doesn't change. Sorry. You can do it in a structured way, and there's whole approaches to doing that, but I found it to be valuable for people that I know in for myself. 398,085 views Jun 14, 2021 Daniel Schmachtenberger is a philosopher and founding member of The Consilience Project. I worked on that journal, this is a radically transdisciplinary field so, I think it's an interesting period to be someone who has an expertise. In November 2021, Daniel joined Tristan Harris on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast. And there's many great histories of IQ testing. So, I agree with this, and there's an interesting question I want to bring up. To report about any issues in our articles, please feel free toContact Us. So, intelligence. Daniel is a deep thinker. But then you can be focused on very different topics, and you might say that some topics, obviously whether the information is accurate or not and if it's factual information kind of matters. How do we make it a better machine, a better computer, a better robot, a better turing machine, whatever, right? So, a Rubik's Cube is moving around spatio-temporal physical thing is. And then also, what does it not measuring? I think that's the kind of thing we're talking about here. by Daniel Schmachtenberger , October 6, 2017 Beyond IQ, Understanding Intelligence and Higher Stages of Human Development - Dr. Zachary Stein This episode of the podcast features Dr. Zachary Stein, a philosopher of education working at the intersection of developmental psychology, psychometrics, and integral philosophy. And then how much of it is fixed? But if you're good and physics and math, you probably will be going to biology. As president, Grant worked to build . Terms & Conditions This group bets that there is a second evolutionary stable strategy for cohabiting not based on conflict or rivalry, even for life raised in Game A (i.e. Yeah, I mean, I think the people at the edges of those fields don't even really think about what the disciplinary boundaries are, or ought to be. He has a diverse educational background in the natural sciences, social sciences, and philosophy, most of which he got outside of institutional settings. This is kind of a far transfer is the word, but I remember David Lynch, the great film director, he went to do psychotherapy, and he was like, you know, if I do this will my art suffer? Listen to this episode from The Joe Rogan Experience on Spotify. Kurt Fischer founded the mind, brain, and education Society. Daniel is a founding member of The Consilience Project, aimed at improving public sensemaking and dialogue. And who knows? Suggest avoiding those websites for the [crosstalk 00:44:31] has in mind. What was in their genes, and what became epigenetic from the womb. We and our partners use data for Personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Literally, because of the political economy with testing industry. But in the space of educational abundance, where your unique skill profile that you have as potential, could actually be expressed. Either so that we can crush the competition, or make more money, or raise in some corporate ladder, like be better at some tasks that we can be externally valuable. The mind is a complex dynamic system. So I think we're looking at nature via nurture, as opposed to nature versus nurture. Yeah, please. That was really the main, in my mind, what they wanted to capture. After addressing the existential risks that are threatening humanity in one of our earlier episodes, Daniel now dives deeper into the matter. I think another thing again this is about the unexplored kind of educational frontier, another place where we haven't explored is states. And where there is relevance or not to that story. And just take them with a grain of salt. The throughline of his interests has to do with ways of improving the health and development of individuals and society, with a virtuous relationship between the two as a goal. And a lot of research can help with that, things like the neural hacker resources, all these things should be grist for that mill. So then, and yet it is less clear as far as AGI goes, if we will get valley crossing in the same way. Because, what does it measure means, well what's there to measure? Please read the full Mind, brain, and education. It's interesting, and that's what measurement does. As a bonus. And I think the answer is yes. California Privacy Notice I think that's one of the lessons here, is that the IQ test can make it seem like that's it, when in fact that the kind of basic ingredients, but as it were, in one of the areas. And problem finding maps to valley crossing, from a kind of evolutionary biology perspective, which Eric Weinstein says the first one is what we call excellent, the second is remarkable. The throughline of his interests has to do with ways of improving the health and development of individuals and society, with a virtuous relationship between the two as a goal. There's a lot of studies going on regarding epigenetics. And so it's hard to know if I inherited my dad's brain, or if I inherited my dad's mind environment. So technically, I didn't inherit my hands, because heritability has to do with correlations, and it's 100% correlation. And so, if there's anything like a generalized intelligence, it has to do with your basic capacity to build in any intelligence. Let's take the way it's been used in military, or any other kind of institution. The organization publishes novel studies on governance design, global risk mitigation, and culture. So that means, that whatever we thought was maybe genetically attributable as innate, is also not fixedly innate. What are better ways of defining it and assessing it? And so, I'm very much a fan of blurring some of these distinctions. And that may mean, work in a hospice care. And they have very little interest in anything like general intelligence, and thought it was actually a concept that was dangerous. Humans are fragile - we are more vulnerable because we make our own niches. As we are wrapping up, if people are interested in understanding their capacities as a baseline to both see what is most relevant for them to develop, and then to see if the developmental things they're doing are working, other than IQ, what might you recommend to people as ways they can assess their intelligence, their multiple lines of intelligence their ecological complexity of thought, is lectica a useful tool? So, Rubik's Cube is obviously problem solving. I'm also hesitant to say, well it's an eight, because until we start to get really optimal basic conditions for people, it's really hard to say. And so, the inside of the brain is that now, again, started to do some state practices, and you'll see that there's some of that. And I think a lot about measurement in general, and one of the things that does is that we can trick ourselves. EU/UK Privacy Policy Please check out the original interview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLgv2QJRYSg&ab_channel=AubreyMarcusSupport the amazing author at aubreymarcus.c. And so, the spatiotemporal logical mathematical one starts with the kids learning gravity, and the ball bouncing, and all the things you do and as spatiotemporal world that PJ investigated. Click to view our Accessibility Policy or contact us with accessibility related questions link, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. Daniel S.: The weird turning pro, as opposed to what was previously right? Zachary Stein: That's interesting. That's a strange thing. Secure Shopping with 100% industry Standard SSL. And so, he was willing to live with the wound, to do the art. avg rating 4.25 1,019 ratings published 1981. There's always going to be extrinsic motivation, but if that's all you have, it can become very difficult. So, a question that I have, because you mentioned a number of things. Howard Gardner once said to me, that intelligence is the most political of all the psychological concepts. Studied Mathematics at Maharishi International University. I mean, this is one of the premises of my book that's coming out soon, is that artificial intelligence and things like basic income guarantees, and radical changes in the macroeconomic structure globally, they're going to make education as we know it pretty irrelevant. And then they come to understand causality. Because, the spatial dynamics, yoga, and Tai Chi, which bring the brain back into the body, and not out of it into some tube that's just feedback, and so I think one of the issues we have, and one of the reasons we're seeing kind of an epidemic how I think, cognitive under-performance, let's put it that way.
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