Ballade 4 (only the coda is difficult, but it is more difficult than the previous three) These are all really high up on my 'favorites' list haha. Is there anything that you like about it in particular that I should listen for? I like Ballade F minor for complexity and maturity. Piano accessories and music gift items, digital piano dolly, music theme party goods, and more! - the website for classical pianists, piano teachers, students and piano music enthusiasts. No.3 is technically the easiest like what everyone here has voiced but it has alot in terms of musical content. . Is it to use in the college application, competition, public performance or simply to learn? - the website for classical pianists, piano teachers, students and piano music enthusiasts. Included in that set were several pieces by . 25 (all but 25/4 - will do in Jan), I think it is possible to group them in broad categories of relative difficulty. https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,3683.msg32884.html#msg32884, Quote from: SteinwayGuy on March 31, 2005, 05:55:19 AM, Quote from: SteinwayModelD on March 31, 2005, 07:03:49 AM, Quote from: Waldszenen on April 02, 2005, 07:29:43 AM, Quote from: iumonito on April 01, 2005, 05:12:42 AM, Quote from: iumonito on April 03, 2005, 03:44:27 AM, Quote from: Fred Smalls on April 02, 2005, 06:26:40 PM, Quote from: JP on April 03, 2005, 03:27:35 PM, Quote from: SteinwayGuy on April 03, 2005, 09:02:40 PM. Difficulty 1 (3) Other works Two Bourres, KK VIIb/1-2 1. The 4th is universally regarded as being the most difficult, as to truly master it, requires a great amount of musical maturity, something that is not as important in the more virtuoso works of Chopin's youth such as Ballades 1 and 2. And if you think I've misplaced any of them, or if you think I'm not appreciating one of them enough, I'd like to hear why. It's effective, but I prefer to listen to it than to work through it. 10 and Op. It is a waste of your time and mine to engage in this banter. 9 (Butterfly). pianostreet.com - the website for classical pianists, piano teachers, students and piano music enthusiasts. Aargh, most people are underrating the difficult of Ballade No. WHOA! Reply #16 on: December 18, 2011, 04:57:53 AM, Reply #17 on: December 18, 2011, 09:41:46 AM. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Although there are some givens (Rach 3 is "harder" than a Bach 2-part Invention) the vast majority of other questions come down to personal details what else have you played, how did it sound, what recordings/concerts have you listened to, what sort of condition is your technique in. Both the First and Second Ballades are listed on LRSM, LLCM and LTCL syllabuses. Ballades; Ballade no. The most difficult one is the Fourth. I've started the process of learning all 24, and they're all extremely difficult, and dangerous when not done correctly. A list from 1 to 8 would also be great (if you have the time). 3: Probably the most popular. There's nothing offensive in it; the coda reminds me a lot of the Barcarolle, another favorite of mine. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. That feeling doesn't sit well if I'm playing it for people haha. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. He dedicated it to one of his friends at the time, Baron Nathaniel Stockhausen, ambassador of the Kingdom of Hanover. The ENTIRE piece is extremely pianistic, even the coda. These are the hardest pieces ever written for the PIANO. I've heard professional pianists say that the coda of the 2nd ballade is more difficult than the coda of the 1st. It is really morbid though, that the piece swings back to the opening motif, and ends in A minor. The Chopin piece is formidable, but it's more of a general pianistic workout with nothing too terrifying involved as long as you're in shape and at the right level of musicianship. 622 Agree mostly with this, however op 25/12 is incredibly difficult to play with full accuracy, it's very easy to play wrong notes at that tempo, it requires a reasonable amount of stamina also,. It continues to get more difficult until the Ballade is way too difficult, and it ends smoothly (Shortest Ballade). Reply #21 on: November 07, 2014, 05:05:43 PM, Reply #22 on: November 08, 2014, 02:23:20 PM, Reply #23 on: January 22, 2015, 03:54:38 AM, Hello everyone, I was just reading this, and I thought I would say that if I were a newcomer to piano, after reading this I may think that #3 was a "piece-o-cake". Substance is not to be expected of a Grande tude de Paganini, probably. I'll never understand the point of threads like this. I guess it could, but if you are mature enough to play one, then you should be ok to do any of those works. This opens the door to the quietly melancholy first theme in G minor, rising over an ominous 6/4 heartbeat. Do a search. 1 can be considered "easy" in the sense that you encounter new material only a couple of times; that is, many parts are repeated so the amount of material you need to learn is rather insignificant. Both the Baron and his wife took piano lessons from Chopin. There is a lifetime's worth of work in these etudes. Brandon_W_T . Here is my list (#1 is my favorite, #4 is my least favorite). I second looking at the Henle ranking. Reply #1 on: December 12, 2011, 10:48:22 AM. Well, I'm 15, been playing for 9 years, and this darn thing took me, You might have seen one of my videos without knowing it was that nut from the forum, Reply #24 on: January 22, 2015, 04:56:53 AM. **DISCLAIMER**Rankings like this are subjective and should not be taken too seriously, think of this as more of a guide than an absolutely exact ranking. This is my personal breakdown, and may not apply to you or anyone else: Ballade 4: I happen to have no trouble with any of the technical difficulties Ballade 4 throws out there, so I would not rank it the hardest. Works by difficulty Frdric Chopin See also the original overview of these pieces. But yarghhhhh playing LH octave leaps with that RH passagework, just doesn't feel good. Chopin Ballade 4 Difficulty At just shy of twelve minutes in duration the 'Ballade No.4' by Chopin is not a long piano piece, but what is packed into it is incredible, detailed, and difficult. Ballade 3 Ballade 1 Ballade 4 Ballade 2 How do you rank them? Yes, it requires technique to execute "lightness in touch" and "voicing and phrasing" etc but it requires musical maturity to know when to apply these techniques. They range in difficulty from grade 9 - ARCT (which is basically the highest level). Although not the biggest, this piece certainly carries its name. I have found it to be reliable, beyond the Etudes. op. I had no clue that it was his 3rd Ballade until years later. The Coda is nasty. I don't think that anyone was suggesting that it was a "one-weeker" or even easy. I'm therefore, assuming you've looked at all of it. You mostly can't go wrong with any of these guys. Currently learning Ballade 2, and it's definitely my second favorite. I'm so darn sick of seeing this thread come up that I have to succumb and try to do an actual ranking. Talking about "musicality" is total, subjective BS; if you're just asking about technical difficulty, they're (easiest to hardest) 3-1-2-4. The fourth is the most difficult but the first is the most commonly played, so, if you intend to compete, it will be judged more harshly. I really love the slower moments, and the Coda is really cool. It just flows better), the Chopin is like this crazy Ragtime and makes me feel like I'm about to drive off a cliff when I go to play it. This is the end of a piano piece i'm Why would we have a rest when its the end of a piece? My favorite part is when the second theme comes back for the second time in A-major. The Ballade No. Ballade in G minor, Op. I try to always be working on one or two of them in addition to other pieces. Polonaise-Fantaisie. 1 [deleted] 3 yr. ago [removed] Jannis281206 4 mo. ballads: 3, 2, 1, and 4 (easiest to hardest) 2 and 1 are a tossup though really. All rights reserved. That is one of the most perfect moments in a piece by Chopin I can come across. The Scherzo No. I will say - the beautiful Eb major theme in the piece that little interchange from the b6 harmony back to the tonic. 24 Chopin Etudes Difficulty Ranking (Easiest to hardest) 27 related questions found. by Jhon on Fri Apr 15, 2005 8:55 pm. I haven't really "studied" any since 10/4, although I've toyed with 25/5 [which will be the next one I study] and a few others. Chopin's nocturnes are almost entirely out of reach until you're at an early advanced level. .And I'm only 1/24th of the way into my disagreements with that list. Beethoven - Sonata in C sharp minor, Op 27 No 12, Reply #2 on: December 12, 2011, 01:13:05 PM, Reply #3 on: December 12, 2011, 06:19:47 PM. I still like one more than the others. There's also a negative side. Exact same here! (OK I know I posted a whiny message yesterday, but really I am having a blast working onthis one). It's really all a matter of what the individual player has experience in. We had this discussion recently and it seems that the types of technique you have affect severly what you think. The ones I don't are linked below.3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0JEuFiqXO81: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taY5oHleS4I2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnWrFWUJWTI4: https://youtu.be/A3Wriv-QEtE I get chills just thinking about it. Someone who's played Chopin G major prelude and Moszkowski's G min etude would be well prepared for 10/12 and might rank it easier than others might. Keep it light and playful. Seems like a nobrainer to me. (Hunter Thompson), Perfection itself is imperfection - Vladimir Horowitz, I have always been under the impression that the 3rd Ballade was the easiest. One of our local - brilliant - teachers/performers is performing both sets of the Chopin Etudes this coming Monday evening at the University of Victoria. Reply #8 on: April 01, 2005, 05:12:42 AM. Ballade number 4 does have the coda which requires alot of power and excellent double note technique. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Recommended editions . When a search is in progress, something will be found. A pianist well versed in arpeggios would have an easier time with 25/12. What follows is a continuous dramatic stream, shifting and . It begins with a bold, ascending musical announcement which falls back and dissolves into shadowy harmonic ambiguity. There is nothing better in this world than smoking a A student asked me what pieces use the middle pedal and i How normal is it to have a live performance that isnt Just wondering if anyone know how to play this because I What are some other Piano songs that have a similar feel Press J to jump to the feed. Answer (1 of 30): I'll answer this in a roundabout way. New Feature: Live Streamed Piano Recitals. This is one of Chopin's most beautiful pieces; sing out the two melody lines. The first ballade's beauty is that it doesn't sound very difficult. Here is one (there are far more detailed ones): The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. I love how light-hearted this piece is; it's definitely easier to get through than the others, but it has it's crazy moments, but just overall it's just an absolute joy to play through haha. In my opinion, after I did 25/2, 25/1, and 10/4 I felt like the. Scherzo4. **DISCLAIMER**Rankings like this are subjective and should not be taken too seriously, think of this as more of a guide than an absolutely exact ranking. Also, both are classified as being "moderately difficult" in Maurice Hinson's Guide to the Pianist's Repertoire. Nocturnes (Easiest to most Difficult) 4+ Nocturne c minor KK IVb no.. It's just very dense and longer than the others. Andantino in D minor, KK Anh. The four-movement structure of each concerto is novel, and Shelley handles the Tasmanian Symphony Orchestra well from the keyboard, an impressive feat given the difficulty of the piano parts. Great Chopin interpreters include: Krystian Zimerman, Artur Rubinstein, Vladimir Ashkenazy, Maurizio Pollini, Dinu Lipatti, Solomon, Seong Jin-Cho, Moiseiwitsch, Ivan Moravec, Fialkowska, Jorge Bolet, Samson Francois, Rafal Blechacz, Dang Thai Son, and Maria Joao Pires. I am ranking these based on Rubinsteins recordings (which I think are the best), so here they are favorite to least favorite: 1: Not only my favorite Ballade or Chopin piece, but one of my favorite pieces of music in classical repertoire. 1 in G minor, Op. it's decided now I will play Fotoplayer! THRILLER by Michael Jackson ending some more Rachmaninoff Corelli Variations. Ballade 4 is my favorite musical piece, period. The colors brought out in this piece are like nothing Ive seen of that era. 10 and Op. A number of parameters have been considered when assessing the level of difficulty. 25 no. . Reply #14 on: December 17, 2011, 06:21:29 PM, Current repertoire: "Come to Jesus" (in whole-notes), Reply #15 on: December 17, 2011, 07:28:40 PM. Post a reply. Any advice for learning Ballade 4? Answer (1 of 3): Great question. I found these interesting Chopin difficulty ratings through browsing the web. - Parties, Tours, Projects & More Information - - Concerts, News,FAQs, Archives, Will getting a Steinway make me a pariah here? Not all people possess both the technique and the musical awareness, therefore it is reasonable to make a distinction here. Reply #18 on: April 03, 2005, 03:12:22 PM. Here's my mini rant on why I ordered them this way: 4 - The very opening motif when it comes back in A major, then has that little sweeping cadenza, goddamn. Reply #23 on: April 04, 2005, 01:54:14 AM. Be . **DISCLAIMER**Rankings like this are subjective and should not be taken too seriously, think of this as more of a guide than an absolutely exact ranking.Leav. I was wondering what would be the best Chopin ballade to start with. My rationale for ranking them the way I did: #4 - Most difficult because it has more of a contrapuntal quality than the other 3, some rhythmic difficulty, is the most lengthy, and the coda is very difficult. Fryderyk Chopin. What is the goal of learning Chopin Ballade? I would be interested in knowing this, too. After careful deliberation I have settled on nine levels of difficulty, which I have divided into three groups: 1-3 (easy), 4-6 (medium), 7-9 (difficult). Everything fits nicely and you do NOT need a large hand. I suggested instead an "easier" Liszt transcription and she agreed. The hardest part here is bringing out the inner voices when they appear, and some of the arpeggios require a tricky inner-finger stretch. What order would you rate in difficulty these pieces of Chopin's, 1 being the highest and 8 the lowest etc..-:Fantasy Impromptu, 1st Ballade in G minor , 2nd Ballade in F major , 3rd Ballade in Ab Major, 4th ballade in F minor, fantasy in f minor, (heroic) polonaise op. Ballade #4: 95% of the Ballade is really difficult, but it can't be as. To add to the argument about "technique". There are lots of threads discussing the ballades and scherzos. Definitely don't start with the first or fourth ballades. 38 . The 4th would require more dedication and time to perfect, but you would be rewarded by being able to play one of the most sublime pieces ever written. It has vastly more musical content and substance than La campanella. 2m/pedal 24 rank Cavaille-Coll style pipe organ Re: Chopin ballades difficulties? I tackled four this semester, and it was a struggle. Over 100,000 members from around the world. Re: The Easiest and Hardest of the Ballades and Scherzos? Ia/2-3 2. The Relaunch of Pleyel in France Produced Far Away, Quote from: pytheamateur on December 12, 2011, 10:48:22 AM, Quote from: starstruck5 on December 12, 2011, 06:19:47 PM, https://pianosage.blogspot.com/2011/08/chopin-ballade-no1-in-g-minor-tips.html, Quote from: fftransform on December 14, 2011, 09:01:58 AM, Quote from: scott13 on December 14, 2011, 11:04:31 AM, Quote from: pbryld on December 17, 2011, 07:28:40 PM, Quote from: philb on December 18, 2011, 09:41:46 AM, Quote from: maxy on November 07, 2014, 05:05:43 PM. Someone who's played Chopin G major prelude and Moszkowski's G min etude would be well prepared for 10/12 and might rank it easier than others might. 2. Fascinating article on the acoustics of the new hall Visit Virtual Sheet Music to learn more Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5, Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources. Anyways, Henle lists the first three ballades as an 8/9 difficulty, and the 4th ballade as a 9/9 difficulty, so they should all be pretty similar to some extent. Something that is always important to keep in mind is your background. 2 or 4, and those are the ones that you really want to learn, then learn them. ago 2: This is so hard to rank as last because I love this piece. 10.2: chromatics with legato on 3-4-5 whilst using 1-2 for harmony on the. His Nocturne in Bb minor Op.9 has something similar right near the opening, that slight modulation is just incredible, so subtle, but it just makes it a perfect moment. The final "Introduction and Allegro, Op. After listening to the ballades several times, I've ranked them. Boy the scherzi seem more technically difficult than the ballades especially number 3 in C# & and 4 in E major. Ia/3 (0' 30") Difficulty 1.5 (9) Mazurkas Mazurka in D major, KK Anh. I was just listening to one of my recordings (Tamas Vasary) of the Chopin Ballades and Scherzos, and I decided to learn one (I haven't before). (Built about 45 minutes from me!) Fun Stuff! Critique me as harshly as you can I'm performing in What do you think? You probably can learn no.3 in a month or 2 if you have already learned no.1 ( for the notes at least). The Chopin Ballades are sort of big enough pieces to where you wouldn't learn one just to "be able to play the others." A major (0' 30") Prlude in F major and Andantino in D minor, KK Anh. There has been many debates around this, but, most pianists would agree on this list probably (assuming that you are learning it at indicated tempo) Here are the hardest ones to perfect: 1. For me, 1 and 3 are easy (er) to understand musically, 2 and 4 are (even more) difficult to understand musically. This is my ordering. 25 no. 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